stoneman
1:04 Sat Jul 1
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Scousers against the world, chips on their shoulders.
Horrible City, horrible people.
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On The Ball
12:00 Sat Jul 1
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I'm not sure anyone would dispute that norm, I think it's more that we'd have the humility to admit that perhaps we played a part in it.
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normannomates
11:21 Fri Jun 30
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Too much to young 10.19
Exactly..you answered your own question you muppet!
We were amongst the worst culprits back then..so digging out the scouser is a bit rich.
If that was 96 WHU you and every other would be seeking answers till you got them.
Heysel?...I agree..but seems nobody can be arsed on the wop side..unlike the scousers
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:40 Fri Jun 30
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The mistake of the police in opening the gates is, perhaps, forgivable. Unfortunately in life shit happens. Their cover-up however, is unforgivable.
What sticks in most people craw, I think, is that Liverpudlians simultaneously revel in the reputation of being 'scallies' who like to have a drink and bunk into matches without a ticket (like fans of most clubs at the time, if truth were told) and yet play the victim card and deny all responsibility when the actions of those 'scallies' is the primary cause of the deaths of 97 (?) of their almost entirely non-'scallie' friends and family.
It's the hypocrisy that stinks.
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Northern Sold
4:53 Fri Jun 30
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Remember some pretty bad ones for the oppo at our place… Villa and Everton in the cup… and Wall in the Simod cup…. Like absolute sardines in that little pen in the SB for the oppo’… if fences wre up they would have been in all sorts of shit
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Eddie B
4:47 Fri Jun 30
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Sven Roeder 2:44 Fri Jun 30
I remember that match too. Couldn't move on the terraces that day. Still, it was safer there than it was on the streets outside.
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Saul Bollox
4:39 Fri Jun 30
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I fucking hate Liverpool FC and their scum fans so I might be just a bit biased about this, but I remember seeing on the news at the time drunken Liverpool fans showing up late and arguing with the Police. Opening the gates was in retrospect a mistake, but it was an option at that time to avoid trouble that had been done on numerous occasions. The decision was made necessary by people trying to force their way in.
The fact that so many people died was a tragedy, as was Heysel and Bradford but you rarely hear them bleating about it. I am sick of the mawkish outpouring of grief from scouse cunts who have not lost relative and also the politically correct whitewashing of the part in the cause of this tragedy which was contributed by their own fans.
It's never our fault,It's never our fault, We're always the victims, It's never our fault,
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Sven Roeder
2:44 Fri Jun 30
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I'm sure I have heard that in the past that if there was trouble outside the police would get the gates open to get people in the ground to diffuse it.
I am guessing that's what happened at the Den when we ended up with an overcrowded terrace at the 1-1 game where McAvennie equalised
Someone said to me afterwards there were 8,000 on a terrace meant for 5,000.
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Cony Tottee
2:14 Fri Jun 30
Re: Hillsborough
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I'd imagine that the behaviour of the fans would have to come out during a trial. If Duckenfield's defence team can show a pattern of violence, drunkenness, entering without tickets etc then they could probably try and argue that he was justified in opening the gates, especially with the crush forming outside.
Do we know if it was common practice at the time to open gates if crushes were forming? If so then it could be argued that he was following normal procedures for that sort of incident.
Fuck knows how they'll argue their way out of the cover-up afterwards though.
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Too Much Too Young
10:19 Thu Jun 29
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Even though everyone outside of Liverpool knows what elements of all of this have continually been left out, let them have this one. There were fuck ups.
Now can we please have the same enquiries for Heysel?
They robbed us of European football and all of England for fuck knows how long after that....granted, there weren't many saints around those days...
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,
9:52 Thu Jun 29
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Duckenfield was out of his depth?
But he really wanted that promotion because he was a good family man and could do with the money for his family commitments. So he would not be the first bloke to take a job he was not capable of doing but when he met up with his mates on the first Tuesday evening of every month they were happy with his performance.
Think about it.
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Dave Boozle
9:43 Thu Jun 29
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"DuckEnfield was totally out of his depth and made decisions that cost lives. He must be held accountable for them.
Then senior officers doctored statements and evidence to move the blame away from themselves. They must also account for their actions."
Completely agree with the second part
However the first... it's well documented Duckenfield was out of his depth and froze under the pressure. If I make Wayne Rooney chancellor and he fucks the economy up it's not Rooney's fault it's mine. The blame of this goes higher up.
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pulhampete
8:58 Thu Jun 29
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The fans behaviour aside, the cover up that followed is the stuff that needs holding to account.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
8:35 Thu Jun 29
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Alfs 3:19 Thu Jun 29
'stoneman 2:39 Wed Jun 28
So you'd swap the death of one of your kids for �250,000?''
He didn't say that, did he? Although I do understand it would make your faux-outrage seem sincere if he had.
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side effect
8:14 Thu Jun 29
Re: Hillsborough
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I remember laying in the garden that afternoon and when I heard the news the first thing that went through my mind was. Gate opens fans without tickets see a semi final free and run in. Sorry but that's how I see it. Could've happy to any set of fans as I'm sure many travel without tickets in the hope that some become available where fans cannot make it at the last minute etc.
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Cony Tottee
11:03 Thu Jun 29
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I would imagine that if football fans hadn't spent the best part of two decades travelling around the country and Europe kicking shit out of each other that Sheffield Wednesday wouldn't have installed fences and the police probably wouldn't have treated football fans like animals.
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Alfs
3:19 Thu Jun 29
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stoneman 2:39 Wed Jun 28
So you'd swap the death of one of your kids for £250,000?'
I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear that.
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Mex Martillo
10:22 Wed Jun 28
Re: Hillsborough
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People do and should get tken to trial for incompetence that leads to someones death.
People that lie and coverup their incompetence should definitly be prosecuted not matter how long it takes to uncover it.
They are Just cowardly cunts, like Schoffie
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stoneman
10:00 Wed Jun 28
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The inquest painted them as pure as driven snow and so have the families and media.
Let's not forget Heysel, their scummy fans killed innocent Italians and got away with it so excuse me for thinking the police were just trying to protect themselves.
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Far Cough
9:29 Wed Jun 28
Re: Hillsborough
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Sven = works for the Sun
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Sven Roeder
9:19 Wed Jun 28
Re: Hillsborough
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The court verdict did treat the Liverpool fans as pure as the driven snow. And that's definitely how they have taken it.
There was a mixture of incompetence and bad decisions by the ground authorities and the police. And then a shameful cover up and tampering with eveidence
BUT I still believe some part of the blame for it all is at the feet of the late arriving Liverpool fans.
The ones that died were entirely innocent victims who arrived early and did nothing wrong.
But not ALL the fans come under that category.
It appears you aren't allowed to say that though.
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